[technology taskforce] How to network outside Zoom sessions?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ocl at gih.com
Sat Oct 31 07:58:35 UTC 2020
Dear Judith,
this all sounds like enough material to cover several TTF calls. Perhaps
putting together a schedule of testing, trying not to cram too many
products in one test, starting with a priority list? I agree that Zoom
might be a priority, as this is already in use in ICANN.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 31/10/2020 06:40, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
> Those are all the ones I've heard of. That said, I'd like to flex Zoom
> as well and get into breakout rooms for comparison and Google
> Jamboards as those are actually in our future
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org>
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> Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [technology taskforce] How to network outside Zoom
> sessions?
>
>
> HI All,
>
> These are all great tools. I am in the process of scheduling the next
> TTF meeting and aiming for the week of December 7 . ICANN meeting,
> IGF and others have been taking up much of the time so that is why the
> long wait since our last meeting.
>
> So far, I have the tools of Spacial Chat. I have used this at the
> Brazilian IGF Party and it is very cool.
>
> Remo, Gather.town, Hopin.to Any other networking tools we should put
> on the list?
>
> Jonathan Zuck, any other tools to add to test them out
>
> ITI will have given their demos a week earlier so would love to have
> them on and then I would love to reschedule the Open data talk
>
> Also on the agenda is a talk about the YouTube Pilot and what ICANN
> learned from there and whether this is going to be expanded and
> continued from last time
>
> So It looks like a full agenda, but still interested in hearing your
> thoughts on what should be on the agenda for the December Call
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 10/30/2020 9:04 AM, Satish Babu wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>> SpatialChat seems to be good, but appears to have an upper limit of
>> 50 participants.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:15 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Chris Buckridge from RIPE has mentioned that RIPE 81 used a
>> software called "SpacialChat". In his words:
>>
>> And one final point - we’ve been using Spatialchat during the breaks (and for the “virtual dinner”) at RIPE 81 this week, and it’s been a huge success from my perspective (and what I’ve heard from others) - rock solid system, and a lovely chance to actually “run into” people and chat… it’s not the same as in-person, but it’s a definite step in that direction:
>> https://spatial.chat
>>
>> It would therefore be good to add this to the shortlist of
>> software that TTF could test out.
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 21/10/2020 19:24, Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society wrote:
>>> Hello, lots of choices. I'll throw in another one :
>>> Hopin https://hopin.to/
>>> Here's the short 85 second teaser video https://youtu.be/EpErMqMyNN4
>>>
>>> I attended a online conference (not related to ICANN) and it had
>>> several features which to me would fit well with ICANN meetings :
>>>
>>> - Reception Area where latest updates, links are shared,
>>> resources - like the lobby of the ICANN meeting
>>> - main stage where the main sessions will take place - so things
>>> like welcome session and key plenary sessions, webinars
>>> - Sessions - the "smaller" sessions so At-Large sessions with
>>> NPOC, GAC, SSAC, GNSO tracks happening or breakout sessions ;
>>> each session can have its own chat so you can always have an
>>> at-large group chat ; you can have "special" sessions so only
>>> certain persons will see it and not publicised, so maybe the
>>> ALAC Excom logged in attendees could have their room to
>>> strategize, ICANN Staff can have for their internal staff
>>> coordination
>>> - networking - you can directly video chat with any person
>>> attending the event so when you go for a "coffee" break or want
>>> to follow up or meet someone, you can or pair up with a
>>> conference attendee randomly (or set it up like Fellows will be
>>> paired with mentors or SMEs)
>>> - Expo area - vendors can still have their "booths" you can
>>> network , you click on the booth and participate in the live
>>> session with the vendor (so you could have a virtual At-Large
>>> booth there) or have a on demand video played and a vendor chat
>>> with participants
>>> - all the while, there's a main chat which you can hide but then
>>> also participate in so there's no separate chat channel ;
>>> Organisers and Hosts messages in the chat are more clearly
>>> identified so you see the staff responses faster
>>> - live polls can be done to get the "temperature of the room"
>>>
>>> Here's the 2 min orientation video by the conference organiser
>>> of the one I attended https://youtu.be/Iqt1Df9Ffgk
>>> and one which is a much deeper dive of the hopin features
>>> : https://youtu.be/ikj54geMF8M?t=122
>>>
>>> So to me, it really brings the F2F event online in a way which I
>>> didn't see before.
>>>
>>> So definitely this should also be looked at by the TTF
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dev Anand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:20, Judith Hellerstein
>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>
>>> OK you make a good point. we will test them, irregardless
>>> of what ICANN says. I will schedule them a couple of them
>>> for either the December or the January meeting.
>>>
>>> Best.
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>
>>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Judith,
>>>>
>>>> this is the Technology Task Force which tests out *all*
>>>> technology irrespective of what ICANN decides to approve at
>>>> the end. Youtube is there to watch sessions more easily and
>>>> using less resources than Zoom. Remo is for networking
>>>> outside sessions. So are Gathertown and Virbela. Let's test
>>>> them out on future TTF meetings?
>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2020 19:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HI Raitme,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for your comments. I have heard good
>>>>> things about REMO. However at ICANN we are limited to use
>>>>> the technologies that are approved. We are trying to get
>>>>> some new engagement tools approved and working within the
>>>>> system and hopefully we will succeed. We did succeed in
>>>>> getting this YouRube pilot at the ICANN meetings and we
>>>>> hope it is a way to watch sessions with less bandwidth
>>>>> interruptions
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
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>>>>> On 10/20/2020 9:07 AM, Raitme Citterio wrote:
>>>>>> Greetings to everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On this interesting point, I would like to comment a
>>>>>> little on my experience in some virtual socialization
>>>>>> environments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago, second life was an excellent 3d
>>>>>> environment for events and interest group socialization,
>>>>>> however, this tool is not exactly inclusive for the
>>>>>> following reasons
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - It requires a bandwidth of at least 10 mb to be able
>>>>>> to have a good experience, (this unfortunately is not
>>>>>> possible in many regions of the world where they do not
>>>>>> even have half this minimum).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - requires having a computer almost at a gamer style
>>>>>> level, configuration that is usually quite expensive for
>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I would like to share a similar to REMO but
>>>>>> simpler and much cheaper to make meetings of more than 25
>>>>>> people for the price works in terms of the amount of time
>>>>>> per participant connected. https://gather.town/pricing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They also allow to create 2D environments where they have
>>>>>> different style pre-configurations (Campus, schools,
>>>>>> offices) as well as allowing to create their own
>>>>>> configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The interesting thing, to my evaluation that allows to
>>>>>> create inside that space, interactive elements to promote
>>>>>> the virtual collaboration. since it foments the
>>>>>> gamification of all the spaces. also it allows to create
>>>>>> personal spaces for the assistants. I think that this
>>>>>> differentiating factor can be interesting to explore
>>>>>> (also has the typical for meetings chat, audio, video)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://gather.town/features
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most importantly, you can have spaces for small groups of
>>>>>> up to 25 people for free as long as they are used regularly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If some people want I can create a test space for those
>>>>>> who wish to enter and test it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raitme Citterio
>>>>>> 4FE7 B994 C1CF 2815 at pgp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El lun., 19 de oct. de 2020 a la(s) 06:09, Alfredo
>>>>>> Calderon (calderon.alfredo at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:calderon.alfredo at gmail.com>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other organizations have been using VIRBELA -
>>>>>> https://www.virbela.com/ <https://www.virbela.com/>,
>>>>>> as well. It is just a matter to continue studying the
>>>>>> virtues of each virtual environment and if it really
>>>>>> generates a more healthy social networking scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most hardship might come when the bandwidth,
>>>>>> technical requirements, and user- friendly issues are
>>>>>> on the table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally have ha]d the opportunity to participate
>>>>>> in mass meetings and breakout sessions in Second
>>>>>> Life, Virbela and Zoom. Which is the Best? Depends on
>>>>>> who manages the system, and what you wish to accomplish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Recording breakout sessions,
>>>>>> * Multimedia capabilities,
>>>>>> * Bandwidth and interoperability standards,
>>>>>> * equipment requirements and accessibility,
>>>>>> * among a few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like a good idea to retake this
>>>>>> conversation, and setup some demos with these companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Alfredo Calderon*
>>>>>> eLearning Consultant
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> <mailto:calderon.alfredo at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:30 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA
>>>>>> <dndannang at gmail.com <mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree this is an innovative tool but the update
>>>>>> of suggestion from At-Large many times goes
>>>>>> through a process which makes implementation so
>>>>>> much a challenge to adopt new tools and ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A recommendation can be made and I look forward
>>>>>> to the tools being tested and implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 11:16, Jonathan Zuck
>>>>>> <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org
>>>>>> <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Olivier! I brought this tool up some
>>>>>> time ago and have mentioned it to ICANN IT. I
>>>>>> just thing it will be a loooong road before
>>>>>> we get access to such a thing in an official
>>>>>> capacity but it IS an innovative tool!
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>>>>>> *From:* ttf
>>>>>> <ttf-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>>> <mailto:ttf-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>>>>>> on behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:13 AM
>>>>>> *To:* ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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>>>>>> <ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>>> <mailto:ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [technology taskforce] How to
>>>>>> network outside Zoom sessions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in today's ALAC Session with the ICANN Board
>>>>>> today, Joanna Kulesza explained the negative
>>>>>> impact of having virtual ICANN meetings on
>>>>>> the At-Large Community, because the essential
>>>>>> community building social and networking
>>>>>> component part is missing from a virtual meeting.
>>>>>> In recent months I have attended several IGFs
>>>>>> and the UK IGF used an interesting social
>>>>>> event tool called REMO. More details on
>>>>>> https://remo.co/
>>>>>> A demo video is available on:
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/P01JxUBNU2Y
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could imagine a break, for example, where
>>>>>> each of the tables on the one floor is run by
>>>>>> 1 ALAC member. And 3 tables on the other
>>>>>> floor are run by a RALO leadership each, and
>>>>>> people can move around from table to table. I
>>>>>> wonder if this could be fun and helpful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps should this be checked out at some
>>>>>> point? Perhaps there are other places that
>>>>>> can be tested out? SecondLife? Others?
>>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olivier
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