[technology taskforce] How to network outside Zoom sessions?

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Sat Oct 31 07:58:35 UTC 2020


Dear Judith,

this all sounds like enough material to cover several TTF calls. Perhaps
putting together a schedule of testing, trying not to cram too many
products in one test, starting with a priority list? I agree that Zoom
might be a priority, as this is already in use in ICANN.
Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 31/10/2020 06:40, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
> Those are all the ones I've heard of. That said, I'd like to flex Zoom
> as well and get into breakout rooms for comparison and Google
> Jamboards as those are actually in our future
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org>
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> *From:* ttf <ttf-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Judith
> Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 1:05:59 PM
> *To:* ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org <ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [technology taskforce] How to network outside Zoom
> sessions?
>  
>
> HI All,
>
> These are all great tools. I am in the process of scheduling the next
> TTF meeting  and aiming for the week of December 7 . ICANN meeting,
> IGF and others have been taking up much of the time so that is why the
> long wait since our last meeting.
>
> So far, I have the tools of Spacial Chat.  I have used this at the
> Brazilian IGF Party and it is very cool.
>
> Remo, Gather.town, Hopin.to  Any other networking tools we should put
> on the list?
>
> Jonathan Zuck, any other tools to add to test them out
>
> ITI will have given their demos a week earlier so would love to have
> them on and then I would love to reschedule the Open data talk
>
> Also on the agenda is a talk about the YouTube Pilot and what ICANN
> learned from there and whether this is going to be expanded and
> continued from last time
>
> So It looks like a full agenda, but still interested in hearing your
> thoughts on what should be on the agenda for the December Call
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 10/30/2020 9:04 AM, Satish Babu wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>> SpatialChat seems to be good, but appears to have an upper limit of
>> 50 participants.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:15 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello all,
>>
>>     Chris Buckridge from RIPE has mentioned that RIPE 81 used a
>>     software called "SpacialChat". In his words:
>>
>>     And one final point - we’ve been using Spatialchat during the breaks (and for the “virtual dinner”) at RIPE 81 this week, and it’s been a huge success from my perspective (and what I’ve heard from others) - rock solid system, and a lovely chance to actually “run into” people and chat… it’s not the same as in-person, but it’s a definite step in that direction: 
>>     https://spatial.chat
>>
>>     It would therefore be good to add this to the shortlist of
>>     software that TTF could test out.
>>     Kindest regards,
>>
>>     Olivier
>>
>>     On 21/10/2020 19:24, Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society wrote:
>>>     Hello, lots of choices. I'll throw in another one :
>>>     Hopin https://hopin.to/
>>>     Here's the short 85 second teaser video https://youtu.be/EpErMqMyNN4
>>>
>>>     I attended a online conference (not related to ICANN) and it had
>>>     several features which to me would fit well with ICANN meetings :
>>>
>>>     - Reception Area where latest updates, links are shared,
>>>     resources - like the lobby of the ICANN meeting 
>>>     - main stage where the main sessions will take place - so things
>>>     like welcome session and key plenary sessions, webinars 
>>>     - Sessions - the "smaller" sessions so At-Large sessions with
>>>     NPOC, GAC, SSAC, GNSO tracks happening or breakout sessions ;
>>>     each session can have its own chat so you can always have an
>>>     at-large group chat ; you can have "special" sessions so only
>>>     certain persons will see it and not publicised, so maybe the
>>>     ALAC Excom logged in attendees could have their room to
>>>     strategize, ICANN Staff can have for their internal staff
>>>     coordination
>>>     - networking - you can directly video chat with any person
>>>     attending the event so when you go for a "coffee" break or want
>>>     to follow up or meet someone, you can or pair up with a
>>>     conference attendee randomly (or set it up like Fellows will be
>>>     paired with mentors or SMEs)
>>>     - Expo area - vendors can still have their "booths" you can
>>>     network , you click on the booth and participate in the live
>>>     session with the vendor (so you could have a virtual At-Large
>>>     booth there) or have a on demand video played and a vendor chat
>>>     with participants
>>>     - all the while, there's a main chat which you can hide but then
>>>     also participate in so there's no separate chat channel  ;
>>>     Organisers and Hosts messages in the chat are more clearly
>>>     identified so you see the staff responses faster
>>>     - live polls can be done to get the "temperature of the room" 
>>>
>>>     Here's the 2 min orientation video by the conference organiser
>>>     of the one I attended https://youtu.be/Iqt1Df9Ffgk
>>>     and one which is a much deeper dive of the hopin features
>>>https://youtu.be/ikj54geMF8M?t=122
>>>
>>>     So to me, it really brings the F2F event online in a way which I
>>>     didn't see before. 
>>>
>>>     So definitely this should also be looked at by the TTF
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Dev Anand 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:20, Judith Hellerstein
>>>     <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi Olivier,
>>>
>>>         OK you make a good point.  we will test them, irregardless
>>>         of what ICANN says.  I will schedule them a couple of them
>>>         for either the December or the January meeting.
>>>
>>>         Best.
>>>         Judith
>>>
>>>         Sent from my iPad 
>>>         judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>>         Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>
>>>>         On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>         <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          Dear Judith,
>>>>
>>>>         this is the Technology Task Force which tests out *all*
>>>>         technology irrespective of what ICANN decides to approve at
>>>>         the end. Youtube is there to watch sessions more easily and
>>>>         using less resources than Zoom. Remo is for networking
>>>>         outside sessions. So are Gathertown and Virbela. Let's test
>>>>         them out on future TTF meetings?
>>>>         Kindest regards,
>>>>
>>>>         Olivier
>>>>
>>>>         On 20/10/2020 19:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         HI Raitme,
>>>>>
>>>>>         Thanks so much for your comments.  I have heard good
>>>>>         things about REMO. However at ICANN we are limited to use
>>>>>         the technologies that are approved. We are trying to get
>>>>>         some new engagement tools approved and working within the
>>>>>         system and hopefully we will succeed.  We did succeed in
>>>>>         getting this YouRube pilot at the ICANN meetings and we
>>>>>         hope it is a way to watch sessions with less bandwidth
>>>>>         interruptions
>>>>>
>>>>>         Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>         Judith
>>>>>
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>>>>>         On 10/20/2020 9:07 AM, Raitme Citterio wrote:
>>>>>>         Greetings to everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On this interesting point, I would like to comment a
>>>>>>         little on my experience in some virtual socialization
>>>>>>         environments
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         A few years ago, second life was an excellent 3d
>>>>>>         environment for events and interest group socialization,
>>>>>>         however, this tool is not exactly inclusive for the
>>>>>>         following reasons
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          - It requires a bandwidth of at least 10 mb to be able
>>>>>>         to have a good experience, (this unfortunately is not
>>>>>>         possible in many regions of the world where they do not
>>>>>>         even have half this minimum).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         - requires having a computer almost at a gamer style
>>>>>>         level, configuration that is usually quite expensive for
>>>>>>         most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         However I would like to share a similar to REMO but
>>>>>>         simpler and much cheaper to make meetings of more than 25
>>>>>>         people for the price works in terms of the amount of time
>>>>>>         per participant connected. https://gather.town/pricing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         They also allow to create 2D environments where they have
>>>>>>         different style pre-configurations (Campus, schools,
>>>>>>         offices) as well as allowing to create their own
>>>>>>         configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         The interesting thing, to my evaluation that allows to
>>>>>>         create inside that space, interactive elements to promote
>>>>>>         the virtual collaboration. since it foments the
>>>>>>         gamification of all the spaces. also it allows to create
>>>>>>         personal spaces for the assistants. I think that this
>>>>>>         differentiating factor can be interesting to explore
>>>>>>         (also has the typical for meetings chat, audio, video)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://gather.town/features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Most importantly, you can have spaces for small groups of
>>>>>>         up to 25 people for free as long as they are used regularly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         If some people want I can create a test space for those
>>>>>>         who wish to enter and test it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Best regards
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>         Raitme Citterio
>>>>>>         4FE7 B994 C1CF 2815 at pgp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         El lun., 19 de oct. de 2020 a la(s) 06:09, Alfredo
>>>>>>         Calderon (calderon.alfredo at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:calderon.alfredo at gmail.com>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Other organizations have been using VIRBELA -
>>>>>>             https://www.virbela.com/ <https://www.virbela.com/>,
>>>>>>             as well. It is just a matter to continue studying the
>>>>>>             virtues of each virtual environment and if it really
>>>>>>             generates a more healthy social networking scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             The most hardship might come when the bandwidth,
>>>>>>             technical requirements, and user- friendly issues are
>>>>>>             on the table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I personally have ha]d the opportunity to participate
>>>>>>             in mass meetings and breakout sessions in Second
>>>>>>             Life, Virbela and Zoom. Which is the Best? Depends on
>>>>>>             who manages the system, and what you wish to accomplish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>               * Recording breakout sessions,
>>>>>>               * Multimedia capabilities,
>>>>>>               * Bandwidth and interoperability standards,
>>>>>>               * equipment requirements and accessibility,
>>>>>>               *  among a few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             It sounds like a good idea to retake this
>>>>>>             conversation, and setup some demos with these companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             photo 	
>>>>>>             	
>>>>>>             *Alfredo Calderon*
>>>>>>             eLearning Consultant
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:30 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA
>>>>>>             <dndannang at gmail.com <mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Dear Friends and Colleagues, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I agree this is an innovative tool but the update
>>>>>>                 of suggestion from At-Large many times goes
>>>>>>                 through a process which makes implementation so
>>>>>>                 much a challenge to adopt new tools and ideas. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 A recommendation can be made and I look forward
>>>>>>                 to the tools being tested and implemented. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 11:16, Jonathan Zuck
>>>>>>                 <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org
>>>>>>                 <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Thanks Olivier! I brought this tool up some
>>>>>>                     time ago and have mentioned it to ICANN IT. I
>>>>>>                     just thing it will be a loooong road before
>>>>>>                     we get access to such a thing in an official
>>>>>>                     capacity but it IS an innovative tool!
>>>>>>                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>                     *From:* ttf
>>>>>>                     <ttf-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:ttf-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>>>>>>                     on behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>>>                     <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>>>>>>                     *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:13 AM
>>>>>>                     *To:* ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>                     <ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:ttf at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>>>>>>                     *Subject:* [technology taskforce] How to
>>>>>>                     network outside Zoom sessions?
>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>                     Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     in today's ALAC Session with the ICANN Board
>>>>>>                     today, Joanna Kulesza explained the negative
>>>>>>                     impact of having virtual ICANN meetings on
>>>>>>                     the At-Large Community, because the essential
>>>>>>                     community building social and networking
>>>>>>                     component part is missing from a virtual meeting.
>>>>>>                     In recent months I have attended several IGFs
>>>>>>                     and the UK IGF used an interesting social
>>>>>>                     event tool called REMO. More details on
>>>>>>                     https://remo.co/
>>>>>>                     A demo video is available on:
>>>>>>                     https://youtu.be/P01JxUBNU2Y
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     I could imagine a break, for example, where
>>>>>>                     each of the tables on the one floor is run by
>>>>>>                     1 ALAC member. And 3 tables on the other
>>>>>>                     floor are run by a RALO leadership each, and
>>>>>>                     people can move around from table to table. I
>>>>>>                     wonder if this could be fun and helpful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Perhaps should this be checked out at some
>>>>>>                     point? Perhaps there are other places that
>>>>>>                     can be tested out? SecondLife? Others?
>>>>>>                     Kindest regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Olivier
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