[tz] Northern Ontario (Canada)

[dpatte]

Individual reserves usually have their own names such as the one near Fort Frances, "Nigigoonsiminikaaning" (Little Otters Playing).
 If the whole treaty area followed a rule than I agree that the treaty name would be a good solution.


----- Original Message -----
 From: Brian Inglis via tz [mailto:tz at iana.org]
 To: <tz at iana.org>
 Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 17:35:27 -0600
 Subject: Re: [tz] Northern Ontario (Canada)

 Hi folks,

Given that ids are named for the largest municipality observing given rules, and 
those named municipalities are not documented as nor likely to have diverged 
from provincial rules, then applying those ids to rural areas, especially 
reserves, would be erroneous.

In the case of Canadian rural reserves, large areas are normally covered by the 
federal treaties under which those settlements were negotiated, and if reserves 
in those treaty areas could be documented to have ignored DST, then perhaps 
better ids would be e.g. Treaty3 for the ON Lake of the Woods Area, and Treaty60 
for the ON Nipigon Lake area, given that other applicable labels are likely to 
be either confusing, excessively long, or require uncommon fonts to render?

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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On 2022-10-15 17:02, Chris Walton via tz wrote:
> Paul,
> The changes look correct except that you linked *America/Rainy_River* to 
> *America/Toronto* instead of *America/Winnipeg*.
> Rainy River is west of 90°W and needs to remain on Central Time.
> 
> David,
> I don't deny that there may have been some small reserves that did not observe 
> daylight saving.
> They could still be added to the database if somebody wants to do the research 
> and provide appropriate names.
> However, it would be wrong to use the names of existing towns and cities to 
> represent small reserves that exist outside of those towns and cities.
> 
> -chris
> 
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 17:11, dpatte <dpatte at relativedata.com 
> <mailto:dpatte at relativedata.com>> wrote:
> 
>    My concern about these changes is that I seem to remember that some first
>    nations in those areas did not use daylight-savings time on their reserves,
>    and that they were real but very small 'zones', not the large zones they
>    ended up being assumed to be.
> 
>    Unfortunately I have no documentation either way on this.
> 
> 
>    *----- Original Message -----*
>    *From:* Paul Eggert via tz [mailto:tz at iana.org] <mailto:tz at iana.org>
>    *To:* "Chris Walton" <crj.walton at gmail.com <mailto:crj.walton at gmail.com>>
>    *Cc:* tz at iana.org <mailto:tz at iana.org>
>    *Sent:* Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:53:28 -0700
>    *Subject:* Re: [tz] Northern Ontario (Canada)
> 
>    Thank you for doing that investigative work. Proposed patch attached and
>    installed into the tzdb development repository on GitHub.
> 
>    This patch follows your suggestions, except that it moves Nipigon's and
>    Rainy River's dubious data to 'backzone' instead of removing them
>    entirely, as I worry that some users will want the appearance of
>    completeness no matter how illusory.

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