[Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!
parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Tue Aug 23 16:13:01 UTC 2016
On Thursday 18 August 2016 11:40 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
> Parminder,
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> 13:00 UTC is 6:00 am in the Pacific Time Zone, which includes the
> Western US (e.g., Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle,
> Phoenix, etc.) and Canada (e.g., Vancouver). On the other end, 13:00
> UTC is 1 am in New Zealand.
Thanks Greg,
That certainly is a problem. But so is 1900 UTC which is 1230 past
midnight in India, and 1 AM the entire world east of Bangladesh -- Id
say a considerably bigger part of the world. I think we need some
balancing of perspectives here.
>
> If we bring in 7:00 am,
Sorry, is this UTC?
parminder
> that takes in the Mountain Time Zone, which also includes a big swath
> of the US and Canada (e.g., Denver, Salt Lake City, Edmonton, Calgary,
> Winnipeg, etc.) as well as a portion of Central America (Guatemala, El
> Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.). If we include 11 pm, that brings in
> eastern Australia (e.g., Melbourne, Sydney, etc.)
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:50 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
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> On Wednesday 17 August 2016 11:40 PM, tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
> <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn> wrote:
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>> For the purpose of sharing the inconvenience of difficult time
>> for the call, I also accept time rotation.
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> It will be good to see what are to be called 'off hours' or
> 'difficult time' . If it is midnight to say 6 or 7 AM, I am not
> sure any participant falls in that period for the 1300 hrs UTC
> slot.... But I am just guessing... parminder
>
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>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
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>> Executive Director
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>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
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>> Phone: +216 98 330 114 <tel:%2B216%2098%20330%20114>
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>> Le 17 août 2016 à 18:35, McAuley, David <dmcauley at verisign.com
>> <mailto:dmcauley at verisign.com>> a écrit :
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>> Thanks Greg and others for moving this forward.
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>> I personally think that the time should be rotated to allow for a
>> fair distribution of the inconvenience of participating in off-hours.
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>> David
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>> David McAuley
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>> International Policy Manager
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>> Verisign Inc.
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>> 703-948-4154 <tel:703-948-4154>
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>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>
>> [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of* Greg
>> Shatan
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>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2016 1:30 PM
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>> *To:* Mike Silber
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>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2
>> Jurisdiction Subgroup!
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>> All,
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>> Thanks for your comments to date. We've heard from about a
>> half-dozen members so far, and it would be helpful to hear from
>> more before fixing a long-term slot or rotation.
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>> In my view we need to accommodate our members as best we can, so
>> we can do our work; those are the demographics we need to deal
>> with. I will note that "Iran and west" includes not only NA and
>> EU, but also AF (as pointed out by Mike Silber) and SA, as well
>> as the Middle East, Western Asia and portions of Central Asia. I
>> will also note that among the 4 respondents from "east of Iran"
>> the votes for the 13:00 time slot, there were 2 yes votes, 1 if
>> need be and 1 no.
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>> All that said, this is a decision to be made by the group, and as
>> such, the more members' voices heard the better. I'm not sure
>> running another doodle poll would help, but I'd rather let the
>> discussion go forward first. One shortcoming of polls is that
>> they do not allow for dialogue. As such, if there is another
>> poll, let's have it after further dialogue, so that the
>> participants can keep in mind various viewpoints as they respond.
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>> In the interests of transparency, here are the quantitative
>> results from the Doodle poll. I excluded all results involving
>> the 05:00 time slot, since there was little support for this slot
>> in any configuration.
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>> Greg
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>> *FIXED TIME VS. ROTATION SURVEY*
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>> *TIME OF DAY SURVEY* (Yes : If Need Be : No)
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>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Mike Silber
>> <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:26, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu
>> <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
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>> Greg:
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>> I think it makes sense to alternate the meeting time, especially
>> if there was something near to a bimodal distribution of
>> preferences. While it may be true that a (NA-EU) majority finds
>> the 19:00 UTC time most convenient, by alternating we can
>> incorporate the preferences of a larger segment of the group.
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>> Just as aside - AF finds 19:00 convenient too, but it seems the
>> thoughts of Africa are not that relevant
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