[Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!

Tue Aug 23 16:20:57 UTC 2016

Dear co-coordinators of the sub group

I dont want to extend your volunteering energies, but is the list of
members/ observers of this sub group available somewhere. Thanks, parminder

On Tuesday 23 August 2016 09:43 PM, parminder wrote:
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> On Thursday 18 August 2016 11:40 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
>> Parminder,
>>
>>
>> 13:00 UTC is 6:00 am in the Pacific Time Zone, which includes the
>> Western US (e.g., Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle,
>> Phoenix, etc.) and Canada (e.g., Vancouver).  On the other end, 13:00
>> UTC is 1 am in New Zealand. 
>
> Thanks Greg,
> That certainly is a problem. But so is 1900 UTC which is 1230 past
> midnight in India, and 1 AM the entire world east of Bangladesh -- Id
> say a considerably bigger part of the world. I think we need some
> balancing of perspectives here.
>
>>
>> If we bring in 7:00 am,
>
> Sorry, is this UTC?
>
> parminder
>
>> that takes in the Mountain Time Zone, which also includes a big swath
>> of the US and Canada (e.g., Denver, Salt Lake City, Edmonton,
>> Calgary, Winnipeg, etc.) as well as a portion of Central America
>> (Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.). If we include 11 pm, that
>> brings in eastern Australia (e.g., Melbourne, Sydney, etc.)
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:50 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>     On Wednesday 17 August 2016 11:40 PM, tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>>     <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn> wrote:
>>>
>>>     For the purpose of sharing the inconvenience of difficult time
>>>     for the call, I also accept time rotation.
>>>
>>
>>     It will be good to see what are to be called 'off hours' or
>>     'difficult time' . If it is midnight to say 6 or 7 AM, I am not
>>     sure any participant falls in that period for the 1300 hrs UTC
>>     slot.... But I am just guessing... parminder
>>
>>>      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>>
>>>     Executive Director
>>>
>>>     Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
>>>
>>>     Phone: +216 98 330 114 <tel:%2B216%2098%20330%20114>
>>>
>>>                 +216 52 385 114 <tel:%2B216%2052%20385%20114>
>>>
>>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Le 17 août 2016 à 18:35, McAuley, David <dmcauley at verisign.com
>>>     <mailto:dmcauley at verisign.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>     Thanks Greg and others for moving this forward.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     I personally think that the time should be rotated to allow for
>>>     a fair distribution of the inconvenience of participating in
>>>     off-hours.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     David
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     David McAuley
>>>
>>>     International Policy Manager
>>>
>>>     Verisign Inc.
>>>
>>>     703-948-4154 <tel:703-948-4154>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>>>     <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>
>>>     [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>>>     <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of* Greg
>>>     Shatan
>>>
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2016 1:30 PM
>>>
>>>     *To:* Mike Silber
>>>
>>>     *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2
>>>     Jurisdiction Subgroup!
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     All,
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Thanks for your comments to date.  We've heard from about a
>>>     half-dozen members so far, and it would be helpful to hear from
>>>     more before fixing a long-term slot or rotation.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     In my view we need to accommodate our members as best we can, so
>>>     we can do our work; those are the demographics we need to deal
>>>     with.  I will note that "Iran and west" includes not only NA and
>>>     EU, but also AF (as pointed out by Mike Silber) and SA, as well
>>>     as the Middle East, Western Asia and portions of Central Asia. 
>>>     I will also note that among the 4 respondents from "east of
>>>     Iran" the votes for the 13:00 time slot, there were 2 yes votes,
>>>     1 if need be and 1 no.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     All that said, this is a decision to be made by the group, and
>>>     as such, the more members' voices heard the better.  I'm not
>>>     sure running another doodle poll would help, but I'd rather let
>>>     the discussion go forward first.  One shortcoming of polls is
>>>     that they do not allow for dialogue.  As such, if there is
>>>     another poll, let's have it after further dialogue, so that the
>>>     participants can keep in mind various viewpoints as they respond.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     In the interests of transparency, here are the quantitative
>>>     results from the Doodle poll.  I excluded all results involving
>>>     the 05:00 time slot, since there was little support for this
>>>     slot in any configuration.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Greg
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *FIXED TIME VS. ROTATION SURVEY*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *MEMBERS ONLY*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Yes*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *If Need be*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *No*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     19:00 Fixed Time
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     18
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     1
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     4
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     13:00 Fixed Time
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     10
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     3
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     10
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     13/19 Rotation
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     11
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     7
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     5
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *ALL PARTICIPANTS*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     19:00 Fixed Time
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     21
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     2
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     7
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     13:00 Fixed Time
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     13
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     5
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     12
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     13/19 Rotation
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     13
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     9
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     8
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     *TIME OF DAY SURVEY* (Yes : If Need Be : No)
>>>
>>>     *MEMBERS ONLY*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Monday*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Tuesday*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Wednesday*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Thursday*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     *Friday*
>>>
>>>     19:00
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     20:0:9
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     16:1:11
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     17:1:10
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     17:0:11
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     14:0:14
>>>
>>>     13:00
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     10:2:17
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     17:4:11
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     14:3:11
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     14:2:12
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     15:2:11
>>>
>>>      
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>>>     	
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>>>     	
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>>>     	
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>>>      
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>>>     	
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>>>      
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>>>     	
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>>>      
>>>
>>>     *ALL PARTICIPANTS*
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
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>>>     	
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>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     * *
>>>
>>>     19:00
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     24:2:10
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     19:3:14
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     21:2:14
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     20:0:16
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     18:1:17
>>>
>>>     13:00
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     15:2:19
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     17:5:14
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     19:3:14
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     17:2:17
>>>
>>>     	
>>>
>>>     20:2:14
>>>
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>>>     On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Mike Silber
>>>     <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:26, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu
>>>     <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Greg:
>>>
>>>     I think it makes sense to alternate the meeting time, especially
>>>     if there was something near to a bimodal distribution of
>>>     preferences. While it may be true that a (NA-EU) majority finds
>>>     the 19:00 UTC time most convenient, by alternating we can
>>>     incorporate the preferences of a larger segment of the group.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Just as aside - AF finds 19:00 convenient too, but it seems the
>>>     thoughts of Africa are not that relevant
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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