[Ws2-jurisdiction] [CCWG-ACCT] Jurisdiction Subgroup: Expense Request for Questionnaire Translation
Kavouss Arasteh
kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Sat Jan 21 10:06:21 UTC 2017
2017-01-21 11:01 GMT+01:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:
> Hello, do find inline.
>
> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On 21 Jan 2017 10:45 a.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seun
> I do not understand your position at all.
> Are you against providing some guidance and assistance to people of Iran
> which has been seriously suffered by a unilatéral political motivation.
> Are you acting against 80 million Iranian people.
>
>
> SO: Absolutely not! Kindly find further response below.
>
> What is your agenda pls ?
>
>
> SO: To participate in this process.
>
> What is your mission pls?¨
>
>
> SO: Same as above.
>
> Whom you defending pls
>
>
> SO: Those who are probably not reading this.
>
> Are you defending ICANN.
>
>
> SO: Maybe as she needs to be a global organisation as much as possible.
>
> all other countries under sanction receive the document in their language
> Except IRAN
>
>
> SO: Ah okay this is new information for me. Since there is an existing
> precedence as you seem to imply then I would strongly support translation
> for Iran.
>
> Pls kindly be fair or kindly do not interfere with the legitimate request
> of Iranian community
>
>
> SO: I was actually trying to be fair by making sure that people from my
> country also have the opportunity to participate more and that can be
> ensured if they get the translations in their languages as well. I do not
> think it will be fair to serve some countries and not serve the other.
> However since you have now said ICANN already does translations for other
> sanctioned countries except Iran then I rest my case and would strongly
> support ICANN supporting Farsi[1] translation.
>
> Regards
> 1. For humour, occasionally I call Farzeneh Farsi and never knew it was a
> language. ;-)
>
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
> 2017-01-21 10:21 GMT+01:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>
>> Sorry Seun, I was not clear. I am not suggesting to translate on my
>> personal level. I am doing too many things at ICANN on my personal level.
>> I will end up doing it if this group does not support, but I am afraid I
>> have too much to do and really cannot add to it by translating the
>> questions and answers.
>>
>>
>> Translating the questions and answers from English to Farsi and vice
>> versa has a very justifiable reason. Iran is definitely affected by US
>> sanctions which might affect their access to domain names and official
>> language of Iran is Farsi. If any other country's language is not listed as
>> a UN language but is affected by OFAC and sanctions, that language should
>> be included too.
>>
>> We don't even know how many answers we are going to receive how can we
>> start talking about expenses!
>>
>> I would not argue it's about a number of people speaking, but the people
>> who could be affected.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I note that Farzeneh offered to translate to Farsi on personal
>>> level which is fine as it's a separate arrangement (those can be published
>>> under community translated versions with the appropriate disclaimer).
>>> However, I will strongly advice against "formerly" going out of the
>>> official UN languages.
>>>
>>> If indeed we want to do that then we should just make a call for people
>>> to suggest more languages and there shouldn't be any reason to disqualify a
>>> language by the number of people speaking it. I hope ICANN is ready to foot
>>> the bills because I will like it be translated to a few languages as well;
>>> Yoruba, Hausa, and Igbo ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Sent from my LG G4
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2017 08:12, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Greg
>>>> I support Farzaneh for translation into Persian(Farsi) due to the fact
>>>> that among over 130 Millions speaking that language a very limited are
>>>> using Other languages than Persian. To have a more wider outreach,as
>>>> Farzaneh mentioned, the translation would enable more interested persons to
>>>> comments through their respected communities
>>>>
>>>> 2017-01-21 8:10 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Joel,
>>>>> Thank you very Much for your explanation.
>>>>> I am quite familiar with translation since decades.
>>>>> I support Farzaneh for translation into Persian(Farsi) due to the fact
>>>>> that among over 130 Millions speaking that language a very limited are
>>>>> using Other languages than Persian. To have a more wider outreach,as
>>>>> Farzaneh mentioned, the translation would enable more interested persons to
>>>>> comments through their respected communities
>>>>> Kavouss
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-01-21 8:04 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-01-21 2:13 GMT+01:00 Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder at opus1.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kavouss:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each UN agency has its own set of languages. There is not a single
>>>>>>> "UN official language" set. There are also distinctions between official
>>>>>>> languages, working languages, and other types of language sets (such as
>>>>>>> being used for translation to achieve a wider audience for publications).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/20/17 5:58 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Greg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would very much like to translate these questions into Farsi. We
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> be able to reach out to more people and understand if ICANN's
>>>>>>>> jurisdiction affect the users or not, if the questions are in the
>>>>>>>> language of those who we suspect might be affected. I could
>>>>>>>> translate
>>>>>>>> them myself but I have taken up too many tasks and I don't think I
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> get the time to translate the answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2017 15:50, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>> UN official lâchage is six.
>>>>>>>> If there is money , no problem to translate it to Indian 8 over
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> billion people speaking and more than US internautes
>>>>>>>> But I do not under stand other language for translation on the
>>>>>>>> expense of CCWG.
>>>>>>>> Those who wish to have translation , they could do it themsleves
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> KAVOUSS .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-01-20 21:21 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At today's meeting of the Jurisdiction Subgroup, the Group
>>>>>>>> decided to request that the Questionnaire (attached) be
>>>>>>>> translated by the ICANN Language Service. At a minimum,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Questionnaire would be translated into the 6 ICANN working
>>>>>>>> languages; if the ICANN Language Service has the capability
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> translate into other languages, it is possible that the
>>>>>>>> Subgroup
>>>>>>>> may wish to have the Questionnaire translated into one or
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> additional languages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is expected that some costs will be allocated to the
>>>>>>>> CCWG for
>>>>>>>> performing this service. Therefore, on behalf of the
>>>>>>>> Subgroup,
>>>>>>>> I am seeking your approval to incur the expense of
>>>>>>>> translation.
>>>>>>>> These costs are not expected to be material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this
>>>>>>>> request. In any event, I will seek an estimate of time and
>>>>>>>> costs from Language Services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for considering this request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>>
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