[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] purpose and GDPR, cont
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Fri Nov 3 15:39:28 UTC 2017
Hi Greg,
I did not see this memo referenced in the GAC communique and my comment
was entirely in response to that. As I had read the communique in its
entirety when it was published, I had some time to digest it already and
noted that it did not contain anything substantially new and was easily
implementable by any new RDS with tiered access.
I also noted that the communique mainly refers to quick and lawful
access, but not necessarily open or easy access although that point can
certainly be argued.
I did not see any reference to the memo you reference, to the contrary
the GAC refers specifically to the outside counsel already tasked by
ICANN, e.g. Hamilton.
Best,
Volker
Am 03.11.2017 um 16:29 schrieb Greg Shatan:
> Volker,
>
> Vicky's statement about "another perspective" refers to the Taylor
> Wessing memo. Unless you saw the 21 page memo previously, I doubt that
> you read it fully in 8 minutes enabling you to dismiss it as "another
> perspective." I would hope that you give other perspectives a little
> more time and consideration than that.
>
> Of course, you may have thought she was referring to the GAC
> Communique (so many commas...) -- even then, the apparent ability to
> fit new inputs to a pre-existing point of view with such rapidity is
> either impressive or concerning.
>
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Victoria,
>
> I would not necessarily see these as uses as the board calls them
> as purposes but indeed as use cases of current whois.
>
> It also appears that these use cases can also be served by
> alternative RDS systems (such as a tiered access system) without
> rejecting the GAC advice.
>
> So while this makes interesting reading and gives some guidelines
> for our work, I do not see this ultimately as "another
> perspective". It just restates our mission.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 03.11.2017 um 15:11 schrieb Victoria Sheckler:
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>> ICYMI, please see the attached GAC communique, which includes GAC
>> advice on GDPR/WHOIS ( the relevant GAC advice is copied below)
>> and legal advice on WHOIS/GDPR from Taylor Wessing which was
>> commissioned by the IPC, which provides another perspective on
>> thinking about RDS/WHOIS and GDPR. -Vicky
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>> 3. GDPR/WHOIS
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>> *a. The GAC advises the ICANN Board that: *i. the 2007 GAC WHOIS
>> Principles (attached) continue to reflect the important public
>> policy issues associated with WHOIS services. Accordingly, ICANN
>> should take these issues into account as it moves forward with
>> its planning to comply with the European Union’s General Data
>> Protection Regulation (GDPR). In these principles, the GAC has
>> notably recognized that WHOIS data (also known as Registration
>> Directory Services) is used for a number of legitimate
>> activities, including: 1. Assisting law enforcement authorities
>> in investigations and in enforcing national and international
>> laws, assisting in combatting against abusive use of internet
>> communication technologies;
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>> 2. Assisting businesses, other organizations, and users in
>> combatting fraud, complying with relevant laws, and safeguarding
>> the interests of the public;
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>> 3. Combatting infringement and misuse of intellectual property; and
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>> 4. Contributing to user confidence in the Internet as a reliable
>> and efficient means of information and communication by helping
>> users identify persons or entities responsible for content and
>> services online.
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>> Accordingly,
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>> *b. the GAC advises the ICANN Board that: *i. as it considers how
>> to comply with the GDPR with regard to WHOIS, it should use its
>> best efforts to create a system that
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>> continues to facilitate the legitimate activities recognized in
>> the 2007 Principles, including by: 1. Keeping WHOIS quickly
>> accessible for security and stability purposes, for consumer
>> protection and law enforcement investigations, and for crime
>> prevention efforts, through user-friendly and easy access to
>> comprehensive information to facilitate timely action.
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>> 2. Keeping WHOIS quickly accessible to the public (including
>> businesses and other organizations) for legitimate purposes,
>> including to combat fraud and deceptive conduct, to combat
>> infringement and misuse of intellectual property, and to engage
>> in due diligence for online transactions and communications.
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>> In order to promote the public interest, and in response to the
>> ICANN CEO’s invitation to contribute questions pertaining to
>> legal advice on the interpretation and application of the GDPR,
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>> *c. the GAC also advises the ICANN Board to: *i. seek information
>> from its outside counsel tasked with providing guidance on GDPR
>> issues that addresses the following issues: 1. What are the
>> options under the GDPR to ensure the lawful availability of
>> WHOIS/RDS data for consumer protection and law enforcement
>> activities In particular, are there changes to policy or the
>> legal framework that should be considered with a view to
>> preserving the functionality of the WHOIS to the greatest extent
>> possible for these purposes and others also recognized as
>> legitimate? This question includes tasks carried out in the
>> public interest and tasks carried out for a legitimate purpose,
>> including preventing fraud and deceptive activities,
>> investigating and combatting crime, promoting and safeguarding
>> public safety, consumer protection, cyber-security etc.
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>> 2. What are the options under the GDPR to ensure the lawful
>> availability of WHOIS/RDS data for the public, including
>> businesses and other organizations? This question includes tasks
>> carried out in the public interest and tasks carried out for a
>> legitimate purpose, including preventing fraud and deceptive
>> activities, investigating and combatting crime as well as
>> infringement and misuse of intellectual property, promoting and
>> safeguarding public safety, consumer protection, cyber-security etc.
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>> Finally,
>>
>> *d. the GAC also advises the ICANN Board that: *i. it is urgent
>> to address these issues and that the GAC should be fully involved
>> in the design and implementation of any (including interim)
>> solution and requests that ICANN practice transparency vis-à-vis
>> the multistakeholder community in its GDPR activities.
>>
>> RATIONALE
>>
>> This advice reflects the view of governments that the continued
>> and lawful availability of WHOIS/RDS data for consumer
>> protection, intellectual property rights protection and law
>> enforcement activities is a vital public concern and that ICANN
>> should strive to explore all possible mechanisms under the GDPR
>> to ensure that this data remains available for legitimate
>> activities that protect the public and promote a safe, secure,
>> and trustworthy online environment.
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