[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] NTIA letter to ICANN re whois

Thu Apr 19 08:14:44 UTC 2018

No, it doesn’t really fundamentally change anything about what you can or can’t do, or the GNSOs involvement, as far as I can tell. You don’t need to use your registrar as a DNS provider or use them to manage your MX and NS records now (handling of glue records and a few other details excepted), you can just manage your own zone files yourself using your own DNS servers. While it is probably better for the internet stability as a whole that most people don’t do this, they can if they want to right now.
I suspect that for the most part, if you are able to manage your own zone files, you probably have no urge to subcontract only parts of that to third parties. And the business opportunities for offering it as a third party service would seem to be pretty limited even if there was some sort of standard way to offer it as a third party service. It seemed a very odd thing to appear in a letter from NTIA.
Honestly, it reads like they someone complained about Godaddy and they just wrote that down, and padded it out with some poorly understood thought bubbles.

David

> On 19 Apr 2018, at 3:21 pm, Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba at gmail.com> wrote:that
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> the second part of the letter
> might be seen as a suggestion for the interested parties
>  to be able to do anything in the DNS without being bound by the
> GNSO policies (and it is something which makes behaviour of registries/registrars more or less predictive),
> and without it I am not sure about stability of the system, where some third party can do whatever they find fit (and
> reference to sophistication looks like lack of experience ... which makes it even worse, from perspective of the
> stability of the Internet)
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>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 09:16, David Cake <dave at davecake.net <mailto:dave at davecake.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are new things in the letter, but they are odd things not relevant to this working group for the most part. The idea a third party could just manage your MX services is pretty odd. Especially as you can always take MX or NS record management away from your registrar by just… not using your registrar as your DNS server. Work to facilitate any other services seems to be more an IETF issue if it is anything at all - certainly not relevant to this group.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 4:30 am, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whats new is that NTIA is pushing back on whois and at the same time the Secretary of DHS is doing the same.
>>> 
>>> The compromise here is that we make whois data optin for non-commercial consumers. The alternative is to get rolled by the Trump Administration.
>>> 
>>> The choice is yours.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John Bambenek
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:58, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> well of course I don't agree with it at all :) By saying it is not a bad read I only meant it is interesting and to a certain extent amusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:53 PM, theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>> It's a very bad read.
>>>> The stuff about DNSSEC is so bad that it be can used in a Benny Hill sketch. But we can have a real discussion about DNSSEC at some point in another setting.
>>>> 
>>>> Theo
>>>> 
>>>> On 18-4-2018 21:35, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>> well no ... but it's not a bad read :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Ob.Nag: Is there anything new in that document?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:15:50PM -0700, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>>>>> > Please include the following in documents for this wg.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > https://regmedia.co.uk/2018/04/17/ntia-icann-whois-apr18.pdf <https://regmedia.co.uk/2018/04/17/ntia-icann-whois-apr18.pdf>
>>>>> >
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