[CPWG] A white knight on the horizon for .ORG?

[Nat Cohen]

Greg,

How is denigrating other's comments a useful contribution to the discussion?

Bill Woodcock has decades of expertise in running DNS infrastructure.  As I
recall his letter, his group provides around $30 million in infrastructure
support at no cost to ensure that .org is stable.  That contribution can
only be made to a nonprofit organization, not to a for-profit
organization.

The analysis Bill provided is that if Ethos Capital has to pay for that
infrastructure itself, it more or less guarantees that its purchase of PIR
will be unprofitable.  This raises the highly relevant question of whether
.org would be as stable under Ethos Capital as it has been under ISOC.

Your calling the analysis "bizarre" does not make it so.

Similarly, Milton Mueller's trashing of others' reputations likely reflects
more poorly on him than it does on them.

Regards,

Nat


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:58 PM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:

> The "White Knight" looks more like a "Dark Prince":
>
>
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2020/01/08/new-org-stewards-or-vultures-circling/
>
>
> Among many other things, the fact that Bill Woodcock is in this group
> might explain the bizarre "analysis" that PCH circulated a few weeks ago...
>
> Greg Shatan
> greg at isoc-ny.org
> President, ISOC-NY
> *"The Internet is for everyone"*
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:24 PM Vittorio Bertola via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Il 2020-01-09 01:18 Greg Shatan ha scritto:
>>
>> My understanding is that the cooperative intends to continue funding
>> IETF, which is one of ISOC's primary missions.
>>
>> *Weird. That underscores the concern that this is as much about burying
>> ISOC as it is about rescuing .ORG.  I'd be very interested to see what they
>> propose. Right now, that would mean funding ISOC, since IETF is an
>> unincorporated activity of ISOC. Do they propose to both starve ISOC and
>> dismantle it?*
>>
>>
>> Well, the IETF is actually incorporated as IETF LLC, even if it's true
>> that it is currently 100% owned by ISOC (
>> https://ietf.org/about/administration/background/ ). Perhaps ISOC would
>> be interested in selling the IETF as well? Though I don't think they can
>> make a billion dollars out of it.
>>
>> Anyway, just a historical note: when ISOC was awarded .org, "ensuring the
>> money to run the IETF" was the #1 justification that was given for the deal
>> in the corridors. Of course ISOC was chosen after a lengthy bidding
>> process; still everyone in the ICANN community understood that picking them
>> was necessary to keep the Internet running - if not for that, we could have
>> heard much stronger complaints at that time already. I've not been meeting
>> Esther for over a decade now, so I have no idea of her motivations, but I
>> suppose she is just trying to preserve the original deal: the .org extra
>> revenue, after running costs are covered, is meant to pay for the practical
>> cost of the vital community efforts that keep the Internet running, not for
>> some venture capitalist's yacht in the Bahamas.
>>
>> More generally, this is also a cultural issue; perhaps in the United
>> States this might be seen as normal, but in other parts of the world (and
>> dot org is used globally) it is just unfair to make significant profit over
>> a basic community resource, no matter how well the resource is run. This
>> explains why so many people find it just right that dot org should only
>> ever be assigned to a non-profit entity.
>>
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