[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest

Paul Keating Paul at law.es
Mon Oct 23 14:30:27 UTC 2017 

It is not really a question of being offensive.

1. The GDPR applies to all companies that have sufficient contacts with the
EU to justify the exercise of jurisdiction.

2. The fact that jurisdiction is exercised does not imply that the GDPR will
be enforced as to NON-EU members.  Even if jurisdiction exists, the GDPR
remains applicable only as to data of EU individuals.

3. This is no different from the application of any law by any jurisdiction
in the world.  An example would be the US Securities laws.  These apply
whenever a company offers or sells securities to US residents.  It matters
not whether the company offering the securities is

A US company offering to US ³investors²
A Japanese company offering to US ŒInvestors²

Neither of these instances are examples of the US enforcing its laws outside
of its jurisdiction.

So, please lets try to apply consistent logic to the situation.

The GDPR exists.  It is not going away.
It may be modified but as of now it has not been.
It will come into effect May 2018.
We need to deal with this reality.

Paul

From:  <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann
<vgreimann at key-systems.net>
Date:  Monday, October 23, 2017 at 10:23 AM
To:  <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest

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> When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately that does not
> matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not enter into its relevance. You
> may not like it, but it exists. I am sure many companies find certain
> overreaching US laws offensive as well, for example the rules with regard to
> sanctions, but thy are effectiver and applicable nontheless.
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> Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you calm down again,
> please note that offense does not have a part in the process of making a
> legally compliant policy.
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> Best,
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> volker
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> Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
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>>   Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other things, the
>> notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even when it conflicts with
>> local laws as patently offensive, among other things.
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>> Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve by insinuating
>> that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of paperwork generated by this
>> group? I mean besides the continual, consistent, and vigorous disrespect
>> shown to those who work in anti-abuse or security?
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>> And if you¹d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this: it is always
>> better to take the word of the regulators over merely that of some lawfirm.
>> Which is what I thought we were actually talking about in the first place.
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>> John Bambenek
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>>  On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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>>> John,
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>>>  Have you read the legal memo that we received from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich
>>> & Rosati? 
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>>>  It states on page 14, "asking for consent would not be simple, would not
>>> solve all data protection issues, and would pose a number of organizational
>>> challenges."
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>>> The rationale behind this statement is contained within the memo.
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>>> ‹Ayden
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>>>> -------- Original Message --------
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>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
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>>>> Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM
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>>>> UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06
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>>>> From: jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
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>>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
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>>>> Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com>, GNSO RDS PDP
>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
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>>>> So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are fine.
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>>>> Am I missing something?
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>>>> John Bambenek
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>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I would like to flag two extracts from this Regulation that may be
>>>>> relevant to our work:
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>>>>> * "The Registry should also comply with the relevant data protection
>>>>> rules, principles, guidelines and best practices, notably concerning the
>>>>> amount and type of data displayed in the WHOIS database." (page 3)
>>>>> *  
>>>>> * "The WHOIS database shall contain information about the holder of a
>>>>> domain name that is relevant and not excessive in relation to the purpose
>>>>> of the database. In as far as the information is not strictly necessary in
>>>>> relation to the purpose of the database, and if the domain name holder is
>>>>> a natural person, the information that is to be made publicly available
>>>>> shall be subject to the unambiguous consent of the domain name holder."
>>>>> (page 10 - emphasis added)
>>>>> *  
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>>>>> Thank you, 
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>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
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>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
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>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
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>>>>>> Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM
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>>>>>> UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47
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>>>>>> From: vsheckler at riaa.com
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>>>>>> To: GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
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>>>>>> I think we missed this document when we were reviewing documents for this
>>>>>> WG back in the day, and thought some of you might find it of interest
>>>>>> given our current discussions on GDPR
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>>>>>> COMMISSION REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004 laying down
>>>>>> public policy rules concerning the implementation and functions of the
>>>>>> .eu Top Level Domain and the principles governing registration, available
>>>>>> at 
>>>>>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:2
>>>>>> 0051011:EN:PDF
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