[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Mon Oct 23 14:32:25 UTC 2017
Agreed.
Am 23.10.2017 um 16:30 schrieb Paul Keating:
> It is not really a question of being offensive.
>
> 1.The GDPR applies to all companies that have sufficient contacts with
> the EU to justify the exercise of jurisdiction.
>
> 2.The fact that jurisdiction is exercised does not imply that the GDPR
> will be enforced as to NON-EU members. Even if jurisdiction exists,
> the GDPR remains applicable only as to data of EU individuals.
>
> 3.This is no different from the application of any law by any
> jurisdiction in the world. An example would be the US Securities
> laws. These apply whenever a company offers or sells securities to US
> residents. It matters not whether the company offering the securities is
>
> A US company offering to US “investors”
> A Japanese company offering to US ‘Investors”
>
> Neither of these instances are examples of the US enforcing its laws
> outside of its jurisdiction.
>
> So, please lets try to apply consistent logic to the situation.
>
> The GDPR exists. It is not going away.
> It may be modified but as of now it has not been.
> It will come into effect May 2018.
> We need to deal with this reality.
>
> Paul
>
> From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Volker
> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 10:23 AM
> To: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
>
> When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately that
> does not matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not enter
> into its relevance. You may not like it, but it exists. I am sure
> many companies find certain overreaching US laws offensive as
> well, for example the rules with regard to sanctions, but thy are
> effectiver and applicable nontheless.
>
> Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you calm
> down again, please note that offense does not have a part in the
> process of making a legally compliant policy.
>
> Best,
>
> volker
>
>
> Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>> Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other
>> things, the notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even
>> when it conflicts with local laws as patently offensive, among
>> other things.
>>
>> Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve by
>> insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of
>> paperwork generated by this group? I mean besides the continual,
>> consistent, and vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in
>> anti-abuse or security?
>>
>> And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this: it is
>> always better to take the word of the regulators over merely that
>> of some lawfirm. Which is what I thought we were actually talking
>> about in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Bambenek
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Have you read the legal memo that we received from Wilson
>>> Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati?
>>>
>>> It states on page 14, "asking for consent would not be simple,
>>> would not solve all data protection issues, and would pose a
>>> number of organizational challenges."
>>>
>>> The rationale behind this statement is contained within the memo.
>>>
>>> —Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be
>>>> of interest
>>>> Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM
>>>> UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06
>>>> From: jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
>>>> <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>
>>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com
>>>> <mailto:vsheckler at riaa.com>>, GNSO RDS PDP
>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>> So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are fine.
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I would like to flag two extracts from this Regulation that
>>>>> may be relevant to our work:
>>>>>
>>>>> * "The Registry should also comply with the relevant data
>>>>> protection rules, principles, guidelines and best
>>>>> practices, notably concerning the amount and type of data
>>>>> displayed in the WHOIS database." (page 3)
>>>>> * "The WHOIS database shall contain information about the
>>>>> holder of a domain name that is relevant and not excessive
>>>>> in relation to the purpose of the database. In as far as
>>>>> the information is not strictly necessary in relation to
>>>>> the purpose of the database, and *if the domain name
>>>>> holder is a natural person, the information that is to be
>>>>> made publicly available shall be subject to the
>>>>> unambiguous consent of the domain name holder*." (page 10
>>>>> - emphasis added)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of
>>>>>> interest
>>>>>> Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM
>>>>>> UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47
>>>>>> From: vsheckler at riaa.com <mailto:vsheckler at riaa.com>
>>>>>> To: GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we missed this document when we were reviewing
>>>>>> documents for this WG back in the day, and thought some of
>>>>>> you might find it of interest given our current discussions
>>>>>> on GDPR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COMMISSION REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004
>>>>>> laying down public policy rules concerning the implementation
>>>>>> and functions of the .eu Top Level Domain and the principles
>>>>>> governing registration, available at
>>>>>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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