[Rt4-whois] WHOIS Policy RT - Law Enforcement comments.

Wed Nov 30 15:06:18 UTC 2011

Dear RT,

Should law enforcement be considered more a result of a kind of moral (and
coletive) will, based on rules dictated or adopted, perhaps more than
something to be enforced (en-force) by an entity, that could be the police
in first instance and the judges in the last? Anyway since the early times
we have "people appointed to maintain the standards and rules of the tribe
or other society".

I think this instance is the result of not observing or obeying the law,
not the law enforcement itself as a result. As I found somewhere, "*Law
enforcement *is the collective term for professionals who are dedicated to
upholding and enforcing the laws and statutes that are currently in force
in a given jurisdiction"<http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-jurisdiction.htm>.

But it could be also a matter of different points of view or
interpretations under a certain or specific context. To prevent versus to
repress.

My quick two cents.

Best regards from br,

Omar

2011/11/30 LEMON, Sharon <sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>

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> Emily,
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> Happy with this definition:
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> Any entity charged or otherwise mandated by governments with enforcing or
> ensuring observance of or obedience to the law; an organised body of people
> officially maintained or employed to keep order, prevent or detect crime
> and enforce the law
>
> Moving intro to DNS to Appendices good ideas. Alice had the latest
> version, with Lutz's included.
>
> Sharon
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> Sharon LEMON OBE
> Deputy Director
> Cyber and Forensics
> Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA)
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>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Emily Taylor [mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu]
> *Sent:* 30 November 2011 14:30
> *To:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Cc:* rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Rt4-whois] WHOIS Policy RT - Law Enforcement comments.
>
> Hi Sharon
>
> Thanks for working through this.
>
> Sorry to say it, but I will - I don't think your new version of the law
> enf. definition will work.  It includes the world and his wife.  Can I have
> your snap response to the following proposal:
>
> Any entity charged or otherwise mandated by governments with enforcing or
> ensuring observance of or obedience to the law; an organised body of people
> officially maintained or employed to keep order, prevent or detect crime
> and enforce the law.
>
> Unfortunately, your colleague from Canada was working to quite an old
> draft, which has been superseded several times over.  I can see the
> comments, and note what is said about impact.  We have been discussing
> moving chunks into appendices.  Would the intro to the domain name system
> be a good candidate?
>
> Can you give me finalised text for that section, please, which
> incorporates the latest comments made by Lutz and others - this version
> seems to be based on an older draft.
>
> The comments from Gary and others later in the text, and gap analysis are
> good.  I'd like to see how we can incorporate some of them. At the moment
> my priorities are to get the bits lining up in the right places, and have
> the executive summary, findings and recommendations agreed.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Emily
>
> On 30 November 2011 13:48, LEMON, Sharon <sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>wrote:
>
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>> Dear Emily, Alice and All,
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>> Sorry for arriving at the party late, I have been watching in awe the
>> hundreds of emails flying about.  We gave until today for our international
>> colleagues to comment and we have just had our own internal meeting to
>> finalise the comments on the paper.
>>
>> The paper complemented our ongoing law enforcement work within the ICANN
>> community and there are not comments of major significance -ours are in
>> green.  I know that Alice is currently going through the nightmare of
>> trying to organise the version control. (Good Luck and thanks Alice).
>> I have replaced the definition of law enforcement with:
>>
>> Any entity with a responsibility to enforce or ensure observance to or
>> obedience of the law, whether mandated by government or otherwise.
>>
>> We could go on forever with this - but let me know if there are any show
>> stopping objections.
>>
>> I hope we make the deadline of 5pm ;-)
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>> Sharon LEMON OBE
>> Deputy Director
>> Cyber and Forensics
>> Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA)
>> 07768 290902
>> 0207 855 2800
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* KIBBEY, Gary
>> *Sent:* 30 November 2011 13:16
>> *To:* LEMON, Sharon
>> *Subject:* FW: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean
>> CC GK Comments
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>> Gary Kibbey/ Senior Manager
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>> Serious Organised Crime Agency / Tel +44(0)207 855 2863 +44(0)7876790990
>> gary.kibbey at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
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>>  -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* FLAHERTY, Jonathan
>> *Sent:* 29 November 2011 17:54
>> *To:* KIBBEY, Gary; ADDIS, Benedict
>> *Cc:* CURLEY, Cliona
>> *Subject:* RE: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean
>> CC GK Comments
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>> My comments added.
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>> *Jon Flaherty | HVOM | SOCA Cyber & Forensics | 0207 855 2808 | 07919
>> 218439 | jonathan.flaherty at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk*
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>>  -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* KIBBEY, Gary
>> *Sent:* 29 November 2011 14:34
>> *To:* FLAHERTY, Jonathan; ADDIS, Benedict
>> *Cc:* CURLEY, Cliona
>> *Subject:* FW: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean
>> CC GK Comments
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>> Gents
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>> If you have any comments -can you drop onto this working copy. Don't
>> track changes - just comments.
>>
>> Ta
>>
>> Gary
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>>
>>
>> Gary Kibbey/ Senior Manager
>> Cyber
>> Serious Organised Crime Agency / Tel +44(0)207 855 2863 +44(0)7876790990
>> gary.kibbey at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
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>>  -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* KIBBEY, Gary
>> *Sent:* 29 November 2011 14:31
>> *To:* KIBBEY, Gary
>> *Subject:* Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean CC
>> GK Comments
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